iraqi elections

read all about it. our hopes and prayers are with the iraqis in this critical time for their country.

iraq the model has more: It’s only a matter of hours now!
michelle malkin has a list of more good links/liveblogging on these elections here.

these brave people are heroes. the men and women of our military are heroes. using this word to apply to convicted murderers is beyond ridiculous, and those who even try it should be justly criticized for doing so, regardless of what you think of the death penalty. more on that later.

the emperor strikes back

many of us have expressed frustration with the president and his apparent unwillingness to go on the offensive against his critics on iraq. this hands-off approach seems to have changed recently. president bush has not only started giving some speeches including specifics about iraq, but also subjected himself to a round of serious questions with nbc’s brian williams, as well as the audience after his philly speech. here are excerpts from his speeches and the interview.

the president’s interview with nbc’s brian williams

on iraq:

President Bush: Well, John Murtha’s a fine guy. And he’s, you know, he served our nation admirably. I just think he’s wrong. I think the idea of having a, you know, a timetable for withdrawal, does three things that would be bad.

One, it emboldens the enemy. That’s precisely what they want. They want us to withdraw. And — and oh, by the way, here, we’re telling them when and how. And they will adjust accordingly.

Secondly, it sends a bad message to the Iraqis. We’ve said to the Iraqis, “We’ll help train you. We’ll stand with you. And we’ll get you on your feet so you can take the fight to the enemy.” And if our commanders on the ground say we’re not ready to, you know, stand down — a timetable would dispirit the Iraqis.

Finally, it’ll dispirit our troops. Because our troops know the mission hasn’t been completed. But strategy and my plans are these. I will listen to the commanders. I understand war is objective-based, not timetable-based. And we will complete this mission for the good of the country.

on the perception of the United States globally and especially in arab nations

answering questions in philly after his speech:

Q. Mr. President, I’m a proud U.S. citizen, naturalized, and card-carrying Republican. I voted for you both times. I grew in India, a Sunni. In fact, the President of the Republic of India is a Sunni. And I think it’s a great testimony to this nation that was — the vision of which was laid out within a few — half a mile of here, that somebody like me can be in a position of leadership and be successfully engaged in contributing to the current and future economic well-being of this nation. Mr. President, I support your efforts in Iraq. But I’d like to know what are we going to do in the broader battle in creating a favorable image and reaching out to people across the world, so that people like me all over the world can be passionate supporters of the United States.

THE PRESIDENT: Yes, I appreciate that. First of all, success will help the image of the United States. Look, I recognize we got an image issue, particularly when you got television stations, Arabic television stations that are constantly just pounding America, creating — saying America is fighting Islam, Americans can’t stand Muslims, this is a war against a religion. And we’ve got to, obviously, do a better job of reminding people that ours is not a nation that rejects religion; ours is a nation that accepts people of all faith, and that the great strength of America is the capacity for people to worship freely.

he understands the need to win the battle in the arab press. what he needs to find is an effective strategy in attacking the negative view of the united states in the arab world. our leaders need to be front-and-center on al-arabiya and al-jazeera, taking questions and presenting our case. if the people only see one side of the argument, it would be easy for them to believe what they are told about america and americans. we should do this, but after a good-faith effort to communicate with the arab world through their television stations, we should be prepared to accept that words may not be enough.

the president continues his answer.

It’s difficult. I mean, their propaganda machine is pretty darn intense. And so we’re constantly sending out messages, we’re constantly trying to reassure people, but we’re also — we’re also acting. And that’s what’s important for our citizens to realize. Our position in the world is such that I don’t think we can retreat. I think we have a duty and an obligation to use our vast influence to help.

I cite two examples of where I think it will make a big — of where American image in the Muslim world will be improved. One is the tsunami. The tsunamis hit; it was the United States military, through the USS Abraham Lincoln, that provided the logistical organization necessary to get the — to get the — to save a lot of lives. We moved. A lot of people kind of sat around and discussed; not us. We saw a problem and we moved.

Same in Pakistan. The earthquake in Pakistan is devastating. The United States of America was first on the scene. We got a lot of kids flying choppers all around that country providing help and aid.

And so I guess what I’m saying to you is, is that a proper use of influence that helps improve people’s lives is the best way to affect — to change the image of country, and to defeat the propaganda.

i agree with this. one way to win friends and influence people is to help with logistics and finances during natural disasters, such as the tsunamis and the earthquakes the president mentioned.

from his speech to the CFR in D.C. on the reconstruction efforts in iraq:

Reconstruction has not always gone as well as we had hoped, primarily because of the security challenges on the ground…

In the space of two-and-a-half years, we have helped Iraqis conduct nearly 3,000 renovation projects at schools, train more than 30,000 teachers, distribute more than 8 million textbooks, rebuild irrigation infrastructure to help more than 400,000 rural Iraqis, and improve drinking water for more than 3 million people.

Our coalition has helped Iraqis introduce a new currency, reopen their stock exchange, extend $21 million in micro-credit and small business loans to Iraqi entrepreneurs. As a result of these efforts and Iraq’s newfound freedom, more than 30,000 new Iraqi businesses have registered since liberation. And according to a recent survey, more than three-quarters of Iraqi business owners anticipate growth in the national economy over the next two years.

This economic development and growth will be really important to addressing the high unemployment rate across parts of that country. Iraq’s market-based reforms are gradually returning the proud country to the global economy. Iraqis have negotiated significant debt relief. And for the first time in 25 years, Iraq has completed an economic report card with the International Monetary Fund — a signal to the world financial community that Iraqis are serious about reform and determined to take their rightful place in the world economy.

With all these improvements, we’re helping the Iraqi government deliver meaningful change for the Iraqi people. This is another important blow against the Saddamists and the terrorists. Iraqis who were disillusioned with their situation are beginning to see a hopeful future for their country. Many who once questioned democracy are coming off the fence; they’re choosing the side of freedom. This is quiet, steady progress. It doesn’t always make the headlines in the evening news. But it’s real, and it’s important, and it is unmistakable to those who see it close up.

matt margolis at blogs for bush agrees.

abc news has interesting iraqi poll numbers here. to sum it up: the results are mixed. three quarters of iraqis are confident about the upcoming elections. 70% approve of the new constitution. the same percentage, of a group containing both sunnis and shiites, believe that iraq should have a unified government. there is a definite split between sunni and shiite perception for possible improvement in iraq over the next year, with shiites holding a more positive view.

from the breakdown of the poll:

Preference for a democratic political structure has advanced, to 57 percent of Iraqis, while support for an Islamic state has lost ground, to 14 percent (the rest, 26 percent, chiefly in Sunni Arab areas, favor a “single strong leader.”)

Whatever the current problems, 69 percent of Iraqis expect things for the country overall to improve in the next year — a remarkable level of optimism in light of the continuing violence there. However, in a sign of the many challenges ahead, this optimism is far lower in Sunni Arab-dominated provinces, where just 35 percent are optimistic about the country’s future

more positive economic news:

Average household incomes have soared by 60 percent in the last 20 months (to $263 a month), 70 percent of Iraqis rate their own economic situation positively, and consumer goods are sweeping the country. In early 2004, 6 percent of Iraqi households had cell phones; now it’s 62 percent. Ownership of satellite dishes has nearly tripled, and many more families now own air conditioners (58 percent, up from 44 percent), cars, washing machines and kitchen appliances.

there are many interesting components to this poll. one of the most interesting is the 45% that want the U.S. to “leave now” (26%) or to pull out right after the elections (19%). this poll has some good news and bad news for the bush administration. the iraqis are positive overall about the elections, the future of the government, and the possibility of improving conditions in iraq over the next year. they still have concerns about the handling of the war by the united states and coalition forces. they are unsure whether their country has improved since the invasion, which is understandable, because there is still much work to be done with security and reconstruction. perception would also vary by region, because of the variability of each region’s progress toward these goals. i think this poll has a more complete, balanced picture than we have seen so far.

this is a good strategy for the president –to take his message directly to the american people. showing that there were changes made in the initial strategy to make the post-war operation more effective than it has been in some areas will improve his credibility and his poll numbers. will he continue to take this approach?

Brian Williams: …And will you keep doing this, having these conversations?

President Bush: I will. I’ll keep taking my message to the people in a variety of formats. It’s one way for me to be able to communicate directly with people. And, I unfortunately don’t get to edit what’s on your newscast.

On the other hand, I do know that by giving a speech that’s broadcast say, on some of these channels that broadcast speeches, more and more people will be able to hear my side of the story, which is very important for the president to be able to do. And I enjoy it. I enjoy getting out and being with — I know — listen, in the audience, I realize everybody didn’t agree with me. But that’s — I’m confident in my message. And I am anxious to be able to talk to those that, you know, are willing to listen. I thought the reception was warm. And I appreciated it.

people can think for themselves, with no needed assistance from the MSM. make your case, mr. president. it’s up to you, not to the GOP or conservative bloggers. we’re listening.

related:
Operation Skinner: Major Success In Iraq-from california conservative
The voting has begun! (updated)–iraq the model (with pics!). actually, just read the whole blog.

another view on iraq

this is one opinion that won’t get as much coverage as john murtha’s statements to the press. senator joe lieberman just returned from iraq, and he has a slightly different perspective on how things are going over there than murtha does.

sen. joe leiberman on iraq:

None of these remarkable changes would have happened without the coalition forces led by the U.S. And, I am convinced, almost all of the progress in Iraq and throughout the Middle East will be lost if those forces are withdrawn faster than the Iraqi military is capable of securing the country. The leaders of Iraq’s duly elected government understand this, and they asked me for reassurance about America’s commitment. The question is whether the American people and enough of their representatives in Congress from both parties understand this. I am disappointed by Democrats who are more focused on how President Bush took America into the war in Iraq almost three years ago, and by Republicans who are more worried about whether the war will bring them down in next November’s elections, than they are concerned about how we continue the progress in Iraq in the months and years ahead.

that’s how we can lose our political will to stay until iraq is stabilized. both republicans and democrats see the writing on the wall and obsess over the polls, which is why you won’t see many in washington (outside of the bush administration) echoing what lieberman says here.

Here is an ironic finding I brought back from Iraq. While U.S. public opinion polls show serious declines in support for the war and increasing pessimism about how it will end, polls conducted by Iraqis for Iraqi universities show increasing optimism. Two-thirds say they are better off than they were under Saddam, and a resounding 82% are confident their lives in Iraq will be better a year from now than they are today. What a colossal mistake it would be for America’s bipartisan political leadership to choose this moment in history to lose its will and, in the famous phrase, to seize defeat from the jaws of the coming victory.

i agree with senator leiberman. he goes on to admit that mistakes were made initially, but says that we are making changes to correct some of those mistakes.

The economic reconstruction of Iraq has gone slower than it should have, and too much money has been wasted or stolen. Ambassador Khalilzad is now implementing reform that has worked in Afghanistan–Provincial Reconstruction Teams, composed of American economic and political experts, working in partnership in each of Iraq’s 18 provinces with its elected leadership, civil service and the private sector. That is the “build” part of the “clear, hold and build” strategy, and so is the work American and international teams are doing to professionalize national and provincial governmental agencies in Iraq.

These are new ideas that are working and changing the reality on the ground, which is undoubtedly why the Iraqi people are optimistic about their future–and why the American people should be, too.

this is good news. we should listen to both sides of the argument and decide for ourselves which strategy makes more sense, keeping in mind the motivations of each side for their position on iraq. i have been critical of senator leiberman in the past for disguising his views while he was al gore’s VP pick, but he has been a strong supporter of the war in iraq from the very beginning, and he has always been consistent on this issue.
former U.S. secretary of state henry kissinger weighs in (courtesy: breitbart.com):

“I think to look at withdrawal from Iraq … could lead to disaster,” said Kissinger, who served as the top US diplomat in the administrations of presidents Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford.

“We have to keep in mind what our objective should be, and if we leave Iraq under conditions at the end of which there will be a radical government in Baghdad, or part of the country becomes a haven for terrorism, it will have turned into a disaster that will affect the whole world,” Kissinger said in an interview with CNN television.

i will give the last word on this to iraq the model.

on the upcoming elections:

On the other hand, a war of words and speeches is growing among the different parties and candidates and two points issues to be taking more attention here, these are corruption accusations and the recurrence of former Ba’ath members in some lists.

Some candidates, namely Laith Kubba pointed out that he has political bombs regarding the above issues that will be revealed soon. Kubba who leads his own list has also challenged Ahmed Chalabi for an electoral debate.

However, people in the street think that candidates should focus more on their political platforms rather than on exchanging accusations and allegations.

the iraqis get it. i wish american politicians would figure this out.

from the post: The way to the parliament: fighting with posters and sometimes bullets.

I never had doubts in the hidden intentions of those in Iraq who keep saying that multinational troops must leave Iraq soon; they say their demands are essential for national sovereignty coming out of their patriotic feelings for Iraq while I see them as far as they could be from patriotism.

If those people put Iraq’s and Iraqis’ interests first, they wouldn’?t have asked the US to leave Iraq while the troops missions are yet to be accomplished and the Iraqi national forces are still not capable of protecting the country and the citizens.

We all know why some insist that US must leave or keep calling the presence of these troops an occupation. The problem is that the ordinary citizen here cannot talk about this in public for fear of being labeled as an agent or collaborator with the occupation and what can an unarmed citizen do to face such an accusation coming from this or that militia.

What pushes these politicians and militias to take this attitude is their dream of regaining sovereignty but not national sovereignty; it is their sovereignty over Iraq.

What is keeping these liars from making a large scale coup over the democratic change is the presence of coalition troops that are protecting the new Iraq.

Our newfound democracy is suffering a lot from the evil of neighboring dictatorships and the legacy of Saddam’s dictatorship and I see the only guarantee to the growth of our democracy until its institutions are firm enough and well established lies in the presence of coalition troops for a longer time. This requires not only the preparation of Iraqi security forces but goes beyond that to protecting the democracy until it passes the danger zone.

whether we like it or not, we will have to stay in iraq until the country is stabilized. we owe it to the iraqis who have risked their lives to vote in the elections (and to vote for the constitution) to see this through. we owe it to our soldiers who died to give iraq this new hope for a better future. at this point, we need to stop fighting about WMDs and playing political games. there’s more at stake than the political fortunes of the DC elite. what we are talking about is the future of iraq, and both sides need to stop playing games with that future.

reality and fiction –closer than we would like to believe

i just finished reading the kite runner by khaled hosseini. it is raw, graphic, intense, and beautifully written. i highly recommend it. the story takes place in modern-day afghanistan. nothing is held back in this fictional narrative, including the extreme cruelty of the taliban and the harsh reality that it was to live under their rule. what i came away with from this book with was that fighting oppression is not a theory. it’s not simply a war game. this is sobering reality to so many people in the world. we must do what we can to stop this oppression. the taliban isn’t a creation of someone’s imagination. it’s a source of pure evil.

if you have any doubts about that, keep reading. the obvious disclaimer applies to anything linked here: some of the articles are very disturbing and somewhat graphic. there may be more information here than you want to know.

Telegraph | News | I was one of the Taliban’s torturers: I crucified people

“YOU must become so notorious for bad things that when you come into an area people will tremble in their sandals. Anyone can do beatings and starve people. I want your unit to find new ways of torture so terrible that the screams will frighten even crows from their nests and if the person survives he will never again have a night’s sleep.”

from afgha.com – Questions / Answers

“As a military and political force, the Taliban surfaced in Qandahar in 1994 when Afghanistan was plagued by a vicious civil war. The main military struggle at that time was taking place in Kabul between the forces of Burhanuddin Rabbani and his military commander Ahmad Shah Masood and their allies on one side and the forces of Gulbuddin Hekmatyar and his allies on the other side. As a result, about two thirds of Kabul was razed to the ground resembling “an archeological site” with a UN estimated deaths of 50,000 civilians. The rest of the country was taken by warlords and petty chieftains who ruled their areas with a free-for-all attitude. The Amnesty International 1995 annual report about Afghanistan begins with these terrifying accounts:

Thousands of civilians were killed and thousands more were wounded in artillery attacks deliberately aimed at residential areas by all factions in the civil war. Hundreds of men, women and children were deliberately and arbitrarily killed by members of the main armed groups during the raids on civilian homes. Torture, including rape of women and children, was reportedly widespread. People were unlawfully imprisoned in private detention centers because of their political opinions, religion, ethnic origin, or as hostages. Journalists covering the war were detained or imprisoned by the warring factions. Hundreds of people “disappeared.” Warlords appointed themselves as so called Islamic judges and ordered punishments including executions.”

civilians were intentionally targeted and killed without cause. women and children were tortured. people with opposing political views, religious beliefs, or an offensive ethnicity, were jailed. this is the mindset of the enemies we face today in the war on terror. this ideological belief system rarely leaves room for any significant negotiation.

The Taliban’s War on Women: A Health and Human Rights Crisis in Afghanistan.

” PHR’s researcher when visiting Kabul in 1998, saw a city of beggars — women who had once been teachers and nurses now moving in the streets like ghosts under their enveloping burqas , selling every possession and begging so as to feed their children. It is difficult to find another government or would-be government in the world that has deliberately created such poverty by arbitrarily depriving half the population under its control of jobs, schooling, mobility, and health care. Such restrictions are literally life threatening to women and to their children.

The Taliban’s abuses are by no means limited to women. Thousands of men have been taken prisoner, arbitrarily detained, tortured, and many killed and disappeared. Men are beaten and jailed for wearing beards of insufficient length (that of a clenched fist beneath the chin), are subjected to cruel and degrading conditions in jail, and suffer such punishments as amputation and stoning. Men are also vulnerable to extortion, arrest, gang rape, and abuse in detention because of their ethnicity or presumed political views. The Taliban’s Shari’a courts lack even a semblance of due process, with no provisions for legal counsel and frequent use of torture to extract confessions. “

Fact Sheet: Al Qaeda and Taliban Atrocities–more than you need to know to be convinced of their motives.

Salon.com Life | The Taliban’s bravest opponents— this salon piece graphically describes a public execution, just like in kite runner. sadly, reality and fiction are too close together when it comes to the taliban. the first page should be enough to understand what’s going on here.

the idea that groups like this deserve mercy and compassion is beyond my comprehension. it doesn’t make sense to me that there are still excuses made for people like this, because there isn’t any valid excuse for their behavior AT ALL. the support of terrorism and terrorists like bin laden make the taliban a legitimate target. everyone benefits from the defeat of groups like this. that is why the question of whether iraq would be ruled by sharia law or not was such an important one, because of its strict interpretation by sunni muslims that would suggest similar punishments in iraq to those in afghanistan under the taliban. i believe that iraq’s new constitution strikes the right balance in this respect, but i’m not any kind of expert on the subject.

are afghanis better off now than than they were under the taliban? the signs seem to point to an affirmative answer to this question.

from the U.S. Embassy-China website, some hopeful words for Afghanistan:

“While the terrorists hide in caves, the Afghan people are emerging into the light of day to face the challenges of their future. The contrast between their life under the Taliban and their life without the Taliban is crystal clear. Where the Taliban have fled, they can no longer terrorize the population. Afghans–men, women and children–are rejecting what the Taliban stood for. Afghans are once again taking control of their own lives. As the Taliban fled Kandahar on December 7, witnesses reported that joyous residents poured into the streets and tore down the Taliban flag.

Soccer stadiums, once used for public executions, floggings, and amputations are once again used for sports. Children fly kites. Women go to the market without fear of being beaten. Men are no longer required to wear regulation-length beards; women may choose whether or not to wear the burqa. Girls are flocking back to schools after five long years of being barred from public education.”

these are hopeful signs. of course there is still work to be done in afghanistan, but it is headed in the right direction. i hope that we would have the patience to continue the progress being made in iraq as well, but i have a feeling that public opinion may short-circuit that process at some point. i would very much like to be wrong about that.

iraq exit strategy: win, then leave

“the quickest way of ending a war is to lose it, and if one finds the prospect of a long war intolerable, it is natural to disbelieve in the possibility of victory.” –george orwell

i’ve said previously that rep. murtha should not be subject to personal attacks on his reputation and character just because he dared to question the bush administration’s iraq strategy. i still believe that. however, there are some major flaws in his public statements and his suggestion for immediate troop withdrawal from iraq, as bill kristol and robert kagan point out in this weekly standard article.

according to that article:

Murtha, of course, claims that the U.S. occupation is the primary problem in Iraq and that “our troops have become the primary target of the insurgency. They are united against U.S. forces, and we have become a catalyst for violence.” This is nonsense. For many months now, the insurgents have been shifting their attacks away from U.S. and coalition forces and directing them at Iraqis instead. Iraqis now make up the overwhelming majority of casualties resulting from insurgent attacks. This shift is evidence not only of the effectiveness of our protective measures, but also of the growing vitality of the Iraqi political process, which the insurgents, according to their own statements, fear and hate more than the U.S. military presence. As for the rise in the number of “incidents” against U.S. forces to which Murtha points, those numbers do not distinguish between incidents initiated by insurgents and those initiated by Americans. Recent U.S. operations have generated a large number of incidents, indeed–almost all of them supporting the coalition’s goals and harming the insurgents.

there are some areas where our iraq strategy needs to be improved. i don’t think it is unreasonable to suggest such a thing. but as kagan and kristol point out, we can succeed in iraq if we have the patience to see the mission to completion. at this point, i can’t say i believe that the american people are convinced that we can win in iraq. that’s what the polls seem to suggest. it is discouraging to me, as i’m sure it is to many other americans, that complete victory in iraq may take longer than we thought that it would.

an article by james fallows in the current atlantic monthly has a sobering look at post-war iraq strategy. the following quotes are from that article.

Let me suggest a standard for judging endgame strategies in Iraq, given the commitment the United States has already made. It begins with the recognition that even if it were possible to rebuild and fully democratize Iraq, as a matter of political reality the United States will not stay to see it through. (In Japan, Germany, and South Korea we did see it through. But while there were postwar difficulties in all those countries, none had an insurgency aimed at Americans.) But perhaps we could stay long enough to meet a more modest standard.

What is needed for an honorable departure is, at a minimum, a country that will not go to war with itself, and citizens who will not turn to large-scale murder. This requires Iraqi security forces that are working on a couple of levels: a national army strong enough to deter militias from any region and loyal enough to the new Iraq to resist becoming the tool of any faction; policemen who are sufficiently competent, brave, and honest to keep civilians safe. If the United States leaves Iraq knowing that non-American forces are sufficient to keep order, it can leave with a clear conscience—no matter what might happen a year or two later.

the whole article is brilliant. it’s worth getting a trial subscription to read more than the provided excerpt. the idea is that in order to get the iraqi army to the level of readiness it needs to keep the peace in iraq, it will require a longer commitment than the american people will support. unfortunately, i think this analysis is dead-on. the polls are already bruising the president on the iraq war. while i don’t believe any president should navigate by polls, i’m not sure that this war can succeed without the support of the american people. timetables are misguided, as i’ve said before, but the bush administration will continue to lose support for the war unless they can point to successful operations that resonate with the non-politicos in this country.

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house G.O.P. to dems on iraq : put up or shut up!

this all started with a statement made by rep. john murtha to reporters on thursday. this is part of what he said:

I believe with the U.S. troop redeployment the Iraqi security forces will be incentivized to take control. A poll recently conducted — this is a British poll reported in The Washington Times — over 80 percent of Iraqis are strongly opposed to the presence of coalition forces, and about 45 percent of Iraqi population believe attacks against American troops are justified. I believe we need to turn Iraq over to the Iraqis. I believe before the Iraqi elections, scheduled for mid-December, the Iraqi people and the emerging government must be put on notice. The United States will immediately redeploy — immediately redeploy. No schedule which can be changed, nothing that’s controlled by the Iraqis, this is an immediate redeployment of our American forces because they have become the target.

All of Iraq must know that Iraq is free — free from a United States occupation, and I believe this will send a signal to the Sunnis to join the political process. My experience in a guerrilla war says that until you find out where they are, until the public is willing to tell you where the insurgent is, you’re not going to win this war, and Vietnam was the same way. If you have an operation — a military operation and you tell the Sunnis because the families are in jeopardy, they — or you tell the Iraqis, then they are going to tell the insurgents, because they’re worried about their families.

My plan calls for immediate redeployment of U.S. troops consistent with the safety of U.S. forces, to create a quick reaction force in the region, to create an over-the-horizon presence of Marines, and to diplomatically pursue security and stability in Iraq.”

it was a direct call for the immediate withdrawal of troops from iraq. that’s a bold move, no matter what you may think of that proposed strategy. although i think that murtha’s war hawk reputation is overstated, he’s not advocating the exact same strategy as michael moore. it would be convenient for us to characterize him that way. it would also be wrong, scott mcclellan. even though mcclellan tried to make the case that it was only murtha’s argument that was being discredited, not the man himself, i don’t think he managed to sell that to anyone still listening to him.

some of what rep. murtha said made sense, at least in the previous excerpt. he’s not a raving moonbat like michael moore. i do have a serious problem with immediate withdrawal of the troops from iraq, whether that means tomorrow, or six weeks from now. the administration has made what i believe, and many others believe, to be a strong case against this approach. iraq will be left worse than we found it, should we decide to leave iraq before it can defend itself. i would also like to question this assertion by rep. murtha in the full text of his remarks to the press on thursday: “ I said over a year ago now, the military and the administration agrees now that Iraq cannot be won militarily. ” i’m not buying this argument. at least in the public statements by current members of the administration and the military now in iraq, i just don’t see the general consensus for this POV in either group. there are improvements we need to make in our approach to post-war iraq. i don’t dispute that. i also think that our successes there have been woefully under-reported.

so the house republicans decided to take a vote on the immediate withdrawal of troops from iraq, to make the democrats go on the record on how they felt about what murtha was suggesting in his comments to the press. i like this move. did it smack of a political stunt? yes. but it accomplished something very useful, in spite of the partisan sniping that took place in the pre-vote debates on the house floor. all but three democrats voted against immediate withdrawal, which should have been expected and probably was. this was a turning point in the whole argument over the war in iraq. i think this because now that the house has decisively rejected immediate withdrawal, we can now move on to the question of what more we need to be doing to help the iraqis run their own country.

i believe that murtha’s broader point is correct– that we need to give the iraqis an incentive to kick us out of their country. while timetables for withdrawal are misguided, we do need to emphasize to them that we will be leaving, and that they will need to secure their own country. the two previous elections and the new constitution are very positive signs that the political process is starting to work. i’m sure that there are other major positive developments there that we don’t know about. there is more work yet to do, and the administration should let us know about the progress that’s being made to address rep. murtha’s concerns and those of the american people. i hope they will.

oh yeah…and ohio state beat michigan. WOOHOO! thoughts on that in the previous post. scroll down for more on that.

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not that it matters or anything

i have heard the argument that senator (and 2004 presidential candidate) john kerry didn’t vote for regime change in the senate resolution authorizing war with iraq. that’s simply not the case. if any of my fellow bloggers can find that senate floor speech where he puts conditions on that resolution, i would love to see it. in the meantime, we have the following quotations that suggest otherwise.

excerpt from FrontPage magazine.com :

In 1991, Kerry voted against authorizing the use of force in the Persian Gulf. Yet he now claims that he fully supported Operation Desert Storm, but voted against it only because he wanted the first President Bush “to take a couple more months to build the support of the nation.” At the dawn of that war, Kerry warned that the elder Bush’s “unilateral” action constituted a “rush to war” that might lead to “another generation of amputees, paraplegics, burn victims.” “Is the liberation of Kuwait so imperative that all those risks are worthwhile at this moment?” he asked rhetorically. Eleven days later, he wrote a letter to a constituent explaining that he opposed military action and preferred to give economic sanctions “more time to work.” Nine days after that, however, he wrote to the same constituent and said that he “strongly and unequivocally supported President Bush’s response to the crisis.”

More recently, Kerry has exhibited similar shifts in his stated stance on the 2003 Iraq war. Amid his blistering criticisms of President George W. Bush?s foreign policy, Kerry has said, “We did not empower the president to do regime change.” Yet in fact, Kerry supported an October 2002 Senate resolution that specifically cited regime change as a goal. That resolution, which passed by a 77-to-23 margin, authorized President Bush to attack Iraq if Saddam Hussein refused to abide by UN mandates. Kerry had similarly voted to make regime change a U.S. objective back in 1998.

from blogicus.com:

“REGIME CHANGE IN IRAQ

Jul 2002 – For: Kerry Calls Saddam A “Renegade And Outlaw.” “I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq … Saddam Hussein is a renegade and outlaw who turned his back on the tough conditions of his surrender put in place by the United Nations in 1991.” (Sen. John Kerry, Speech To The 2002 DLC National Conversation, New York, NY, 7/29/02)

Aug 2003 – Against: Kerry Said Iraq Resolution “Did Not Empower President To Do Regime Change.” KERRY: “And the fact is, in the resolution that we passed, we did not empower the President to do regime change.” (NBC’s “Meet The Press,” 8/31/03) ”

read the senate resolution authorizing both war and regime change. here’s UN security council resolution 1441 making the case against saddam. it is also worthy of note that the senate resolution points out saddam’s past use of chemical and biological weapons. the fight here should no longer be about the WMDs. let’s decide where we go from here. both sides need to consider the next steps very carefully.

democrats with short memories

here’s an excerpt of what president bush said in his november 11th speech:

While it’s perfectly legitimate to criticize my decision or the conduct of the war, it is deeply irresponsible to rewrite the history of how that war began. (Applause.) Some Democrats and anti-war critics are now claiming we manipulated the intelligence and misled the American people about why we went to war. These critics are fully aware that a bipartisan Senate investigation found no evidence of political pressure to change the intelligence community’s judgments related to Iraq’s weapons programs.

They also know that intelligence agencies from around the world agreed with our assessment of Saddam Hussein. They know the United Nations passed more than a dozen resolutions citing his development and possession of weapons of mass destruction. And many of these critics supported my opponent during the last election, who explained his position to support the resolution in the Congress this way: “When I vote to give the President of the United States the authority to use force, if necessary, to disarm Saddam Hussein, it is because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a threat, and a grave threat, to our security.” That’s why more than a hundred Democrats in the House and the Senate – who had access to the same intelligence – voted to support removing Saddam Hussein from power.

let’s look at what some prominent democrats had said in the past about iraq and WMD’s, shall we? (credit to sister toldjah in this post.) any italics are my addition. 🙂

“We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them.” – Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.” – Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

“Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime … He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation … And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction … So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real…” – Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

“There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years … We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.” – Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

“One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line.” –President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

“If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.” –President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members … It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.” – Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

what they are saying now:

Sen. Levin:(from the weekly standard blog) “The intel didn’t say that there is a direct connection between al Qaeda and Iraq,” he said in an appearance on Fox News on February 2, 2004. “That was not the intel. That’s what this administration exaggerated to produce.”

also: “But, as a matter of fact, when you look at the statements of the administration prior to the war, over and over and over again the basis that was used is that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction – not programs, not intentions, not hopes – has weapons of mass destruction in his possession and could use them against us at any time and could hand them up to terrorists.” from the original FNC transcript from that february 2nd appearance.

interesting, but i’m confused. didn’t senator levin say something similar to what the administration said in the beginning? let’s look at it again. he says that saddam is building WMDs and the means to deliver them. that sure sounds like an allegation of a program or an intention to me.

in response to a question about why he voted to kick saddam out of kuwait when there was a known threat and why he voted to kick saddam out of iraq when there may not have been a threat, here’s what Sen. Kerry had to say:

Sen. Kerry: (interview with Chris Wallace on FNC quoted here–external link to FNC transcript n/a) “Now, I’m happy to answer that. I did indeed vote the way I voted in 1991. I thought we ought to kick Saddam Hussein out of Iraq. I said so on the floor of the Senate. But with the memories of Vietnam, I also thought we ought to take a couple of months more to build the support in the country.”

“With respect to this time, I voted to give the authority to the president to use force under a set of promises by the president as to how he would do it: build a legitimate international coalition, exhaust the remedies of the United Nations, and go to war as a last resort. He broke every single one of those promises.”

now, i don’t see anything in the previously quoted statement that puts any conditions on his vote. maybe he did put all these conditions on his vote. if he had these conditions for war before he started running for president, then i would be willing to correct the record on this and post it in this space. as to his first point, the international coalition was larger for Bush 43 than Bush 41. saddam thumbed his nose at numerous resolutions. as far as the war as a last resort? well, apparently john kerry doesn’t believe his own statements about saddam. if he did, then he could logically find a legitimate reason to go to war.

just read the above quotes and compare to current rhetoric. make up your own mind about the president is just a flame-thrower at the democrats, or whether what he says about democrats rewriting history has some ring of truth to it.

related:

chris hitchens: believe it or not (from slate)

carol platt liebau asks the question : who is lying about iraq? she comes to a different conclusion than the rest of her fellow bloggers at huffpost would.

thinking right has more, referencing the norman podhoretz post, with background on the history of iraq and WMDs.

Democrats Deny Having Pre-War Intelligence–from scrappleface

and for my progressive/liberal friend in the uk, some unrelated links: 🙂
Liberal groups to step up pressure on Alito nomination–from CNN
and a poll with positive news for democrats –from huffpost.

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good news from iraq…and other interesting stuff

good news out of iraq….

from friday’s edition of the WaPo–
Easy Sailing Along Once-Perilous Road To Baghdad Airport
mudville gazette references this article and adds commentary.

in a related story, clarice feldman at real clear politics weighs in on joe wilson and “plamegate”: The Wilson Gambit.

if you’re not sure how i feel about joe wilson, read this.

our favorite political commentator snoop dogg gives us his own special take on the war in iraq. (from the daily buzz)

also:

because europe has got this whole economic growth thing figured out…let’s spread socialism and an expanded welfare state to this country!

Europe’s Not Working–from the american enterprise online. it has the audacity to suggest that the UK, by following america’s economic policies more closely than than those of their european neighbors, has found that (surprise) those policies are more effective and encourage more growth. blair rips the french and the germans for clinging to their failed economic model. would gordon brown ever do this? who knows.

speaking of blair…Blair attacks Labour’s ‘old left’ . i love this guy. why can’t our president act more like him?

and…from willisms, why george bush doesn’t hate black people.

got enough links yet? read. think. enjoy monday.

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guess we’ll have to cancel “fitzmas”

vice president cheney’s right-hand man scooter libby was indicted yesterday. all the pundits, bloggers, and various other news people on tv have discussed this story all week, and i don’t really have anything else to add to what has already been said. there may be more to this story than we know, so i will take a wait-and-see attitude until all of the facts come out about this case.

democrats are dismayed that this investigation has currently failed to bring down the source of evil, karl rove. i’m not sure exactly when the democrats decided to start attacking karl rove, but i don’t think it has been a very effective strategy for them. what it comes down to here is that the democrats are content to fight about this peripheral stuff and not debate the issues that are really important to us as americans. the average person in this country may not understand what’s going on with “plamegate” and why they should care about it. they have probably figured out that somebody did something wrong here, but they don’t know what it means exactly.

for the record, anyone who breaks the law should be subject to applicable penalties. it does appear that libby’s in some serious jeopardy here. i don’t minimize that. but for democrats to be celebrating this, ie. the “merry fitzmas” stuff…that’s quite silly and absolutely the wrong strategy. unless they can come up with more evidence than what exists already, there is no “culture of corruption” and that will be a hard sell to make.

i hate giving democrats advice. there’s always a slight chance they might take it. if you want to defeat republicans in elections, then you have to come up with better ideas that you can sell to the voters. if you don’t like the president’s iraq policy, then come up with a better plan and present it to us. better yet, why don’t you help the president out and share your plan with him? after all, we all benefit when iraq is secured,and the sooner the iraqis can do that, the sooner our military can come home. if you think that you could do a more credible job on domestic policy, then make that case to us. i’ve said all that to say this: quit whining about evil republicans and neo-cons, and start engaging in the battle of ideas. that would help your cause a great deal more than the attacks on the president and karl rove.

just my opinion.

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