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	<description>possibly fair. never balanced.</description>
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		<title>Comment on motives by Lisa</title>
		<link>http://chaos-blog.net/2011/07/12/motives/comment-page-1/#comment-17035</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 16:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that this $250,000 number is questionable, because the definition of who the haves are is ALWAYS fluid.  A business owner netting 250k is different from the person who gets a 250k salary from their employer.  You understand this.  I understand this.  The president wants to blur the lines and continues to keep redefining who the rich are. It is disingenuous of anyone to keep talking about taxing the rich, because there isn&#039;t a consistent definition of terms in this case.

As far as your point about the Republicans,  I am really not in the mood to defend them, especially Speaker Boehner.  I think the whole spending question is something neither party is willing to seriously address, at least on the Senate side.  With that said,  my opinion on President Obama&#039;s commitment to spending cuts hasn&#039;t changed. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that this $250,000 number is questionable, because the definition of who the haves are is ALWAYS fluid.  A business owner netting 250k is different from the person who gets a 250k salary from their employer.  You understand this.  I understand this.  The president wants to blur the lines and continues to keep redefining who the rich are. It is disingenuous of anyone to keep talking about taxing the rich, because there isn&#8217;t a consistent definition of terms in this case.</p>
<p>As far as your point about the Republicans,  I am really not in the mood to defend them, especially Speaker Boehner.  I think the whole spending question is something neither party is willing to seriously address, at least on the Senate side.  With that said,  my opinion on President Obama&#8217;s commitment to spending cuts hasn&#8217;t changed. <img src='http://chaos-blog.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on motives by Chris</title>
		<link>http://chaos-blog.net/2011/07/12/motives/comment-page-1/#comment-17024</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 13:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey thanks for the reply.  It&#039;s hard to find time any more to get good conversations going.

Specific examples of Republican spending cuts would be very hard to find since there aren&#039;t any.  I guess if you want to use Boehner&#039;s deal he helped broker that cut a whopping $37 million from the budget earlier this year you could.  But that&#039;s still not enough to lower overall federal spending, which is really what we mean when we talk about spending cuts.

The Clinton economic strategy is rather bare from any Republican fingerprints too.  Clinton&#039;s Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act was passed in 1993 without a single Republican vote.  It raised taxes and mandated the federal budget be balanced for 7 years or so.  The first thing Republicans did when Bush took over in 2001 was do away with this 1993 act.  And ever since then we&#039;ve had nothing but chronic budget deficits (not to mention two endless wars, and a huge government expansion from Bush and the GOP in which they never raised a single to penny to pay for any of it).

Most Americans I think realize what new revenue means.  And most Americans would not be affected by the new revenue because it would only target those making over $250,000/year.  If we are not going to be fickle we at least have to acknowledge what&#039;s being debated and what&#039;s not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey thanks for the reply.  It&#8217;s hard to find time any more to get good conversations going.</p>
<p>Specific examples of Republican spending cuts would be very hard to find since there aren&#8217;t any.  I guess if you want to use Boehner&#8217;s deal he helped broker that cut a whopping $37 million from the budget earlier this year you could.  But that&#8217;s still not enough to lower overall federal spending, which is really what we mean when we talk about spending cuts.</p>
<p>The Clinton economic strategy is rather bare from any Republican fingerprints too.  Clinton&#8217;s Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act was passed in 1993 without a single Republican vote.  It raised taxes and mandated the federal budget be balanced for 7 years or so.  The first thing Republicans did when Bush took over in 2001 was do away with this 1993 act.  And ever since then we&#8217;ve had nothing but chronic budget deficits (not to mention two endless wars, and a huge government expansion from Bush and the GOP in which they never raised a single to penny to pay for any of it).</p>
<p>Most Americans I think realize what new revenue means.  And most Americans would not be affected by the new revenue because it would only target those making over $250,000/year.  If we are not going to be fickle we at least have to acknowledge what&#8217;s being debated and what&#8217;s not.</p>
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		<title>Comment on motives by Lisa</title>
		<link>http://chaos-blog.net/2011/07/12/motives/comment-page-1/#comment-17021</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2011 18:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have specific examples of Republicans cutting spending, etc.   I do recall them having a hand in the Clinton economic strategy though. :) 

My point was not that President Obama wouldn&#039;t agree to spending cuts.   What I was saying is that the new-found commitment to spending cuts (by both sides, BTW) is an acknowledgement that we can&#039;t spend any more money on all these social programs until we pretend to cut spending enough so the American people accept the tax hikes as a necessary evil.  Temporary cuts don&#039;t have any lasting positive impact.  I don&#039;t believe that President Obama and Congress are committed to long-term cuts, which is what we need to seriously address our fiscal crisis.

As far as the American people and their opinions - well, you and I both know how fickle they are.  Even so, I think that the American people recognize that new revenue is a buzzword for them paying more in taxes.  Americans look out for their own self-interest.   Last I checked, this hasn&#039;t changed. I don&#039;t know how Congress can prove that they have the right amount of spending cuts to justify tax hikes.  Explain that to me and I might just accept your argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have specific examples of Republicans cutting spending, etc.   I do recall them having a hand in the Clinton economic strategy though. <img src='http://chaos-blog.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>My point was not that President Obama wouldn&#8217;t agree to spending cuts.   What I was saying is that the new-found commitment to spending cuts (by both sides, BTW) is an acknowledgement that we can&#8217;t spend any more money on all these social programs until we pretend to cut spending enough so the American people accept the tax hikes as a necessary evil.  Temporary cuts don&#8217;t have any lasting positive impact.  I don&#8217;t believe that President Obama and Congress are committed to long-term cuts, which is what we need to seriously address our fiscal crisis.</p>
<p>As far as the American people and their opinions &#8211; well, you and I both know how fickle they are.  Even so, I think that the American people recognize that new revenue is a buzzword for them paying more in taxes.  Americans look out for their own self-interest.   Last I checked, this hasn&#8217;t changed. I don&#8217;t know how Congress can prove that they have the right amount of spending cuts to justify tax hikes.  Explain that to me and I might just accept your argument.</p>
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		<title>Comment on motives by Chris</title>
		<link>http://chaos-blog.net/2011/07/12/motives/comment-page-1/#comment-17020</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 13:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Long time no talk.  Any examples you can point to that suggests Republicans have ever cut spending, cut programs, shrunk the debt or the deficit?

I don&#039;t think you can find anywhere in the president&#039;s 2.5 years in office where he hasn&#039;t agreed to spending cuts.  But there also has to be new revenue cause we can&#039;t possibly cut enough to balance the budget.  And every major poll suggests the American people want spending cuts and new revenue to help alleviate the debt.  It has to be possible to do both :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long time no talk.  Any examples you can point to that suggests Republicans have ever cut spending, cut programs, shrunk the debt or the deficit?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you can find anywhere in the president&#8217;s 2.5 years in office where he hasn&#8217;t agreed to spending cuts.  But there also has to be new revenue cause we can&#8217;t possibly cut enough to balance the budget.  And every major poll suggests the American people want spending cuts and new revenue to help alleviate the debt.  It has to be possible to do both <img src='http://chaos-blog.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on careful what you wish for by Kent</title>
		<link>http://chaos-blog.net/2010/06/09/careful-what-you-wish-for/comment-page-1/#comment-16971</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 23:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I miss your blogging...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I miss your blogging&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on the state of the middle ground by Lisa</title>
		<link>http://chaos-blog.net/2010/03/29/the-pyramid/comment-page-1/#comment-16893</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 00:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do, and that&#039;s a good point.  But everyone is willing to stop the federal spending once they get their own chunk of it.   However, I think that it is highly unlikely that we will ever be able to make the necessary reforms to keep Social Security and Medicare around forever, so those still in the workforce need to start thinking about a Plan B if we want to have enough money to retire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do, and that&#8217;s a good point.  But everyone is willing to stop the federal spending once they get their own chunk of it.   However, I think that it is highly unlikely that we will ever be able to make the necessary reforms to keep Social Security and Medicare around forever, so those still in the workforce need to start thinking about a Plan B if we want to have enough money to retire.</p>
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		<title>Comment on the state of the middle ground by MOM</title>
		<link>http://chaos-blog.net/2010/03/29/the-pyramid/comment-page-1/#comment-16892</link>
		<dc:creator>MOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t you think it is a bit hypocritical of the tea partiers, most of whom are on Social Security and Medicare, to be protesting the taxes that are supporting their lifestyle?

When are the tea partiers going to be ready to say, OK, cut 50% of the budget, beginning with me and &quot;my&quot; entitlement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you think it is a bit hypocritical of the tea partiers, most of whom are on Social Security and Medicare, to be protesting the taxes that are supporting their lifestyle?</p>
<p>When are the tea partiers going to be ready to say, OK, cut 50% of the budget, beginning with me and &#8220;my&#8221; entitlement?</p>
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		<title>Comment on too much awesome by Lisa</title>
		<link>http://chaos-blog.net/2010/03/09/too-much-awesome/comment-page-1/#comment-16832</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done Paul.  That&#039;s an excellent translation. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done Paul.  That&#8217;s an excellent translation. <img src='http://chaos-blog.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on too much awesome by Paul</title>
		<link>http://chaos-blog.net/2010/03/09/too-much-awesome/comment-page-1/#comment-16831</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...diet, diet, diet.&quot;  Sounds to me like Ethiopian health care.

Yeah, I know she said: &quot;...prevention, prevention, prevention...&quot; I&#039;m just interpreting Pelosian into English.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;diet, diet, diet.&#8221;  Sounds to me like Ethiopian health care.</p>
<p>Yeah, I know she said: &#8220;&#8230;prevention, prevention, prevention&#8230;&#8221; I&#8217;m just interpreting Pelosian into English.</p>
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		<title>Comment on what the&#8230; by Lisa</title>
		<link>http://chaos-blog.net/2010/02/04/what-the/comment-page-1/#comment-16798</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 04:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly.</p>
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		<title>Comment on what the&#8230; by kent</title>
		<link>http://chaos-blog.net/2010/02/04/what-the/comment-page-1/#comment-16797</link>
		<dc:creator>kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 22:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree. Very different ad, totally cuts through the clutter, which means it&#039;s good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree. Very different ad, totally cuts through the clutter, which means it&#8217;s good.</p>
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		<title>Comment on no sale by kent</title>
		<link>http://chaos-blog.net/2009/09/10/no-sale/comment-page-1/#comment-16732</link>
		<dc:creator>kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Newsflash: Obamacare is unconstitutional socialism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newsflash: Obamacare is unconstitutional socialism.</p>
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		<title>Comment on a couple quick thoughts by kent</title>
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		<dc:creator>kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I look at CA-10 and I see David Harmer could have defeated John Garamendi if only he&#039;d had more resources, I get very angry.  

The lunacy of Steele giving Scazzafava $900K is an unforgivable mistake.  And you know that I was a big supporter of Steele.  The more I see and hear him, I don&#039;t like him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I look at CA-10 and I see David Harmer could have defeated John Garamendi if only he&#8217;d had more resources, I get very angry.  </p>
<p>The lunacy of Steele giving Scazzafava $900K is an unforgivable mistake.  And you know that I was a big supporter of Steele.  The more I see and hear him, I don&#8217;t like him.</p>
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		<title>Comment on dropping like flies by Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 00:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, I am not supporting Sarah Palin for President.  She is an asset to the Republican party regardless of what happens in &#039;12, but her best role wouldn&#039;t involve being a member of the Executive Branch of our government.  I don&#039;t care whether she runs for President or not.  In fact, I hope that she decides not to run.  I would have doubts about whether she is ready for the job, just as I had during the ill-fated days of McCain-Palin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, I am not supporting Sarah Palin for President.  She is an asset to the Republican party regardless of what happens in &#8217;12, but her best role wouldn&#8217;t involve being a member of the Executive Branch of our government.  I don&#8217;t care whether she runs for President or not.  In fact, I hope that she decides not to run.  I would have doubts about whether she is ready for the job, just as I had during the ill-fated days of McCain-Palin.</p>
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		<title>Comment on try something else by Lisa</title>
		<link>http://chaos-blog.net/2009/07/27/try-something-else/comment-page-1/#comment-16719</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 00:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be interested to see the proof that Orly makes a significant amount of money by going around questioning the citizenship of the President of the United States.  Not that she comes off as the most credible person to begin with, but the media gets the credit for dismissing her and her ilk as fringe idiots.  There is truth to what you say related to the potential benefit to President Obama having opposition that the average American would dismiss as crackpots and fools.  People like the birthers make the whole Republican party look like idiots and Neanderthals.  On the other hand, there are legitimate criticisms to be made about Obama&#039;s policies, and these are getting lost in the chaos of all these other external issues, like questioning Obama&#039;s birth certificate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be interested to see the proof that Orly makes a significant amount of money by going around questioning the citizenship of the President of the United States.  Not that she comes off as the most credible person to begin with, but the media gets the credit for dismissing her and her ilk as fringe idiots.  There is truth to what you say related to the potential benefit to President Obama having opposition that the average American would dismiss as crackpots and fools.  People like the birthers make the whole Republican party look like idiots and Neanderthals.  On the other hand, there are legitimate criticisms to be made about Obama&#8217;s policies, and these are getting lost in the chaos of all these other external issues, like questioning Obama&#8217;s birth certificate.</p>
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		<title>Comment on romney on hannity and colmes by Lisa</title>
		<link>http://chaos-blog.net/2007/04/06/romney-on-hannity-and-colmes/comment-page-1/#comment-16718</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 00:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah...that Fred thing didn&#039;t work out too well.  I don&#039;t believe I said anything like Fred Thompson would change the landscape of the race.   That said, the whole campaign was a massive failure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah&#8230;that Fred thing didn&#8217;t work out too well.  I don&#8217;t believe I said anything like Fred Thompson would change the landscape of the race.   That said, the whole campaign was a massive failure.</p>
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		<title>Comment on dropping like flies by lol fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>lol fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palin is a douche...but she&#039;s your douche.

Good luck getting her to be president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palin is a douche&#8230;but she&#8217;s your douche.</p>
<p>Good luck getting her to be president.</p>
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		<title>Comment on try something else by lol fred</title>
		<link>http://chaos-blog.net/2009/07/27/try-something-else/comment-page-1/#comment-16716</link>
		<dc:creator>lol fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two reasons the Obama administration won&#039;t do a document dump regarding the birth certificate.

1. They don&#039;t need to.  Only the fringe idiots and losers beat that drum. In fact, Orly Tattertits and her ilk are getting rich off it.  Suckers!

2. Having people running around saying stupid shit about you is GOOD for you.  Nobody who believes it would vote for you anyway...since they are either too stupid or hate you too much to see reason.  The people who do support you will rally even more support for you when your re-election comes up.  Look for liberals to keep stirring the birthers pot in the coming years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two reasons the Obama administration won&#8217;t do a document dump regarding the birth certificate.</p>
<p>1. They don&#8217;t need to.  Only the fringe idiots and losers beat that drum. In fact, Orly Tattertits and her ilk are getting rich off it.  Suckers!</p>
<p>2. Having people running around saying stupid shit about you is GOOD for you.  Nobody who believes it would vote for you anyway&#8230;since they are either too stupid or hate you too much to see reason.  The people who do support you will rally even more support for you when your re-election comes up.  Look for liberals to keep stirring the birthers pot in the coming years.</p>
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		<title>Comment on romney on hannity and colmes by lol fred</title>
		<link>http://chaos-blog.net/2007/04/06/romney-on-hannity-and-colmes/comment-page-1/#comment-16715</link>
		<dc:creator>lol fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 13:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking back I guess you guys want to take back that &#039;Fred Thompson getting in changes the landscape&#039; line.  He did...but it was like adding a tomato plant to a field of corn.  Nobody noticed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking back I guess you guys want to take back that &#8216;Fred Thompson getting in changes the landscape&#8217; line.  He did&#8230;but it was like adding a tomato plant to a field of corn.  Nobody noticed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on no sale by Jaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fine, the Repubs are behaving badly. Now, back to the issue of healthcare reform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fine, the Repubs are behaving badly. Now, back to the issue of healthcare reform.</p>
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