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	<description>possibly fair. never balanced.</description>
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		<title>By: kent</title>
		<link>http://chaos-blog.net/2008/09/21/re-remove-all-doubt/comment-page-1/#comment-11548</link>
		<dc:creator>kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 01:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris doesn&#039;t respect my blog or my thoughts, yet all the while he is unwilling and/or incapable of explaining how presenting both sides of a political issue, like Fox News Channel does, isn&#039;t fair and balanced.

Give Liberals enough time and they twist themselves into pretzels with hate, intolerance and illogical positions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris doesn&#8217;t respect my blog or my thoughts, yet all the while he is unwilling and/or incapable of explaining how presenting both sides of a political issue, like Fox News Channel does, isn&#8217;t fair and balanced.</p>
<p>Give Liberals enough time and they twist themselves into pretzels with hate, intolerance and illogical positions.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://chaos-blog.net/2008/09/21/re-remove-all-doubt/comment-page-1/#comment-11540</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 04:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I wasn&#039;t clear about this minor point. I agree with you about Media Matters not being a member of the MSM.  But I wasn&#039;t saying they were.  I was talking about the New York Times, the cable nets, and broadcast news having an obvious bias toward your candidate, Barack Obama.  They have no desire to be fair and balanced, but that&#039;s ok because they never claim to be...I suppose that&#039;s the argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I wasn&#8217;t clear about this minor point. I agree with you about Media Matters not being a member of the MSM.  But I wasn&#8217;t saying they were.  I was talking about the New York Times, the cable nets, and broadcast news having an obvious bias toward your candidate, Barack Obama.  They have no desire to be fair and balanced, but that&#8217;s ok because they never claim to be&#8230;I suppose that&#8217;s the argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://chaos-blog.net/2008/09/21/re-remove-all-doubt/comment-page-1/#comment-11517</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 03:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa, I totally respect your blog and your thoughts, but I disagree that Media Matters is a mainstream media organization and thus should be held to the same standards as Fox News.  Media Matters does not report the news.  It highlights segments of the media such as a watchdog, just like factcheck.org.  Media Matters does not simply give the news, it gives analysis, which is not news.  However, Fox News routinely mixes analysis with the news, classic examples are O&#039;Reily and Hannity both of whom are not journalists.  Asking a media organization such as Fox to be held to journalistic standards is not applying a different standard, it&#039;s applying the only standard media should follow.  If Media Matters should not be a tax exempt organization, then Fox News should be.  

I linked to your blog in my original post because it summed up entirely how Obama is immediately labeled a socialist by the MSM and then repeated throughout the blogosphere without the same standard applied to a person who has proposed that we nationalize the financial industry and use tax payer money to buy huge sums of debt.  Such is routine for the right and I believe it&#039;s a huge double standard.

I would never think you&#039;re afraid to debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa, I totally respect your blog and your thoughts, but I disagree that Media Matters is a mainstream media organization and thus should be held to the same standards as Fox News.  Media Matters does not report the news.  It highlights segments of the media such as a watchdog, just like factcheck.org.  Media Matters does not simply give the news, it gives analysis, which is not news.  However, Fox News routinely mixes analysis with the news, classic examples are O&#8217;Reily and Hannity both of whom are not journalists.  Asking a media organization such as Fox to be held to journalistic standards is not applying a different standard, it&#8217;s applying the only standard media should follow.  If Media Matters should not be a tax exempt organization, then Fox News should be.  </p>
<p>I linked to your blog in my original post because it summed up entirely how Obama is immediately labeled a socialist by the MSM and then repeated throughout the blogosphere without the same standard applied to a person who has proposed that we nationalize the financial industry and use tax payer money to buy huge sums of debt.  Such is routine for the right and I believe it&#8217;s a huge double standard.</p>
<p>I would never think you&#8217;re afraid to debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://chaos-blog.net/2008/09/21/re-remove-all-doubt/comment-page-1/#comment-11508</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 04:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Upon further reflection, I would like to revise and extend my remarks.  I misinterpreted your comment as you implying that I was ducking our debate and not as a joke.  It&#039;s hard to tell with you sometimes.  So I&#039;m pulling back from the personal comments.

On the other hand, I noticed you didn&#039;t mention the New York Times, the rest of the cable nets, and broadcast news in your defense of TPM and Media Matters.  Media Matters, BTW, has no legitimate reason to be tax exempt (but that&#039;s an argument for another day). These news organizations are reporting news with an obvious bias, and they are also members of this MSM, so they should be held to the same standards as Fox News.

One thing that bugs me about your posts is that you throw all this stuff out there about how Republicans all see Bush as the greatest President ever, or that we all follow him in lockstep in whatever crazy thing he&#039;s proposing to do (like this bailout for example). That&#039;s the way I interpret comments like that. The confusion I have is that when you do this, you make a generalization that I naturally assume applies to me as a member of the GOP. When you link to one of my posts, you pull me into the discussion of these secondary points even though I may have never made any of these comments about the President.

Don&#039;t take this as any sort of acknowledgment that I&#039;m afraid to debate you.  I just don&#039;t have anything else to say about the subject. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Upon further reflection, I would like to revise and extend my remarks.  I misinterpreted your comment as you implying that I was ducking our debate and not as a joke.  It&#8217;s hard to tell with you sometimes.  So I&#8217;m pulling back from the personal comments.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I noticed you didn&#8217;t mention the New York Times, the rest of the cable nets, and broadcast news in your defense of TPM and Media Matters.  Media Matters, BTW, has no legitimate reason to be tax exempt (but that&#8217;s an argument for another day). These news organizations are reporting news with an obvious bias, and they are also members of this MSM, so they should be held to the same standards as Fox News.</p>
<p>One thing that bugs me about your posts is that you throw all this stuff out there about how Republicans all see Bush as the greatest President ever, or that we all follow him in lockstep in whatever crazy thing he&#8217;s proposing to do (like this bailout for example). That&#8217;s the way I interpret comments like that. The confusion I have is that when you do this, you make a generalization that I naturally assume applies to me as a member of the GOP. When you link to one of my posts, you pull me into the discussion of these secondary points even though I may have never made any of these comments about the President.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t take this as any sort of acknowledgment that I&#8217;m afraid to debate you.  I just don&#8217;t have anything else to say about the subject. <img src='http://chaos-blog.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://chaos-blog.net/2008/09/21/re-remove-all-doubt/comment-page-1/#comment-11507</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ignore me all you want.  That&#039;s your choice.  Call my posts rants if you want to.  Doesn&#039;t bother me any.  For the record, TPM has never once said it&#039;s fair and balanced and neither has Media Matters.  If you read their mission statements they say they are progressive blogs, which only implies they aren&#039;t gonna be supporting GOP politics.  Fox News, on the other hand, claims itself as being fair and balanced.  It&#039;s their slogan.  There&#039;s a huge difference there, especially considering the whole reference to Fox was that you said that I&#039;m finally including them in the MSM, which they always have been the MSM.  Talking points and Media Matters are not mainstream medias sources.  Fox is.  That&#039;s the difference.  Take it how ever you want to, but asking political blogs to be objective is totally different than asking a media outlet.

Yes, I&#039;m honest.  If anything, I&#039;m honest.  But where in the world do I ever say that you called Bush the greatest president ever???  I think you are exaggerating hugely when you read my posts.  Never have I claimed that you said it.  My posts aren&#039;t written to you or about you.  Asking, or commenting about your silence on a debate we were having was only meant just as that.  Sorry it took so much of your time and effort.  Hope you and Kent have fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ignore me all you want.  That&#8217;s your choice.  Call my posts rants if you want to.  Doesn&#8217;t bother me any.  For the record, TPM has never once said it&#8217;s fair and balanced and neither has Media Matters.  If you read their mission statements they say they are progressive blogs, which only implies they aren&#8217;t gonna be supporting GOP politics.  Fox News, on the other hand, claims itself as being fair and balanced.  It&#8217;s their slogan.  There&#8217;s a huge difference there, especially considering the whole reference to Fox was that you said that I&#8217;m finally including them in the MSM, which they always have been the MSM.  Talking points and Media Matters are not mainstream medias sources.  Fox is.  That&#8217;s the difference.  Take it how ever you want to, but asking political blogs to be objective is totally different than asking a media outlet.</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m honest.  If anything, I&#8217;m honest.  But where in the world do I ever say that you called Bush the greatest president ever???  I think you are exaggerating hugely when you read my posts.  Never have I claimed that you said it.  My posts aren&#8217;t written to you or about you.  Asking, or commenting about your silence on a debate we were having was only meant just as that.  Sorry it took so much of your time and effort.  Hope you and Kent have fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://chaos-blog.net/2008/09/21/re-remove-all-doubt/comment-page-1/#comment-11504</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 23:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not obligated to respond to every single rant of yours against Fox News and the Bush administration.  You may interpret this silence as a sign I&#039;m ignoring you.

For the record:

1) Fox News is a biased source, but no more than any of your favorite sources like the tax-exempt Media Matters and TPM.  Just as the New York Times, MSLSD, NBC, and other &quot;esteemed&quot; members of the MSM demonstrate obvious bias in their coverage, Fox News is no different.  Since you are so big on consistency, I expect you will also demand quotes from conservative sources in the rest of the MSM&#039;s political coverage and hold these other news organizations to the same standards you are demanding of Fox News.

2) So what if Fox News doesn&#039;t agree with your definition of socialist policy?  Like I said in the previous comment, you have plenty of other news organizations that do share your opinion on Iraq. It&#039;s not up to me to defend or condemn Fox&#039;s coverage.

3) The quotation from my post wasn&#039;t at all commenting on Obama&#039;s socialism or lack of same...it was expressing doubt that Obama will pull troops out of Iraq in the time frame you expect.

I can only speak for myself, not for other bloggers or for Fox News. With all due respect, Chris -- I think you are exaggerating a great deal  with this &quot;greatest President ever&quot; stuff.  If you&#039;re honest about it, you will admit that I&#039;ve never said anything even close to that on this blog.

Believe anything you want to believe.  I have nothing else to add to what I have already posted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not obligated to respond to every single rant of yours against Fox News and the Bush administration.  You may interpret this silence as a sign I&#8217;m ignoring you.</p>
<p>For the record:</p>
<p>1) Fox News is a biased source, but no more than any of your favorite sources like the tax-exempt Media Matters and TPM.  Just as the New York Times, MSLSD, NBC, and other &#8220;esteemed&#8221; members of the MSM demonstrate obvious bias in their coverage, Fox News is no different.  Since you are so big on consistency, I expect you will also demand quotes from conservative sources in the rest of the MSM&#8217;s political coverage and hold these other news organizations to the same standards you are demanding of Fox News.</p>
<p>2) So what if Fox News doesn&#8217;t agree with your definition of socialist policy?  Like I said in the previous comment, you have plenty of other news organizations that do share your opinion on Iraq. It&#8217;s not up to me to defend or condemn Fox&#8217;s coverage.</p>
<p>3) The quotation from my post wasn&#8217;t at all commenting on Obama&#8217;s socialism or lack of same&#8230;it was expressing doubt that Obama will pull troops out of Iraq in the time frame you expect.</p>
<p>I can only speak for myself, not for other bloggers or for Fox News. With all due respect, Chris &#8212; I think you are exaggerating a great deal  with this &#8220;greatest President ever&#8221; stuff.  If you&#8217;re honest about it, you will admit that I&#8217;ve never said anything even close to that on this blog.</p>
<p>Believe anything you want to believe.  I have nothing else to add to what I have already posted.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://chaos-blog.net/2008/09/21/re-remove-all-doubt/comment-page-1/#comment-11498</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa, I&#039;ve noticed you&#039;ve grown eerily silent on this subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa, I&#8217;ve noticed you&#8217;ve grown eerily silent on this subject.</p>
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		<title>By: kent</title>
		<link>http://chaos-blog.net/2008/09/21/re-remove-all-doubt/comment-page-1/#comment-11483</link>
		<dc:creator>kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 00:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh huh.</description>
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